welcome to the beat. i am ari melber. donald trump facing twin attacks from biden and harris, scathing comments. this is on camera. bit of a prebuttle to trump's speech tonight. he will speak amidst national and growing unrest in american cities as well as reaching the highest levels of professional sporting after that shooting in the back of jacob blake.

the nba postponing games again today. tonight, trump invoking the backdrop of the white house. early excerpts are saying this will be about going after joe biden, calling him the most extreme set of proposals ever by a nominee. new details emerge about the suspect in tuesday's shooting that left two people dead. the 17-year-old said he was promoting, quote, blue lives matter. posted photos of himself with a long gun online. senator harris had a critique of donald trump. >> donald trump has failed at the most basic and important job of a president of the united states. he failed to protect the american people. plain and simple. trump showed that we in the legal profession would call a reckless disregard for the

well-being of the american people. >> let's get to it. we are joined by our friend, claire mccaskill. nice to see you, claire. >> thanks. >> and another contributor and colleague, shawna thomas. two people who understand exactly where we're headed tonight. big clash. and senator mccaskill, it is very clear that the trump folks are letting it be known in advance this will be more about biden than some of the speeches last week were even about trump, while harris is already hitting the prebuttle. what do you see as important? >> i think he is going to try to continue what they did last night which is somehow try to convince everyone that the chaos that we're seeing in america now, whether it is the pandemic or racial unrest belongs to somebody besides him. this is trump's america. these are the seeds that he has planted. this is the president that has failed to unite this country in

a clarion call against racism. so it is ironic to me that they're trying to say this is biden's america. no. this is trump's america. and that's what they're going to do. they're going to try to convince people that problems that are out there somehow belong to joe biden when the president has had really a grip on washington since he took office. >> you layout there, you make a great point. shawna, i am curious if you'll speak to that point. every president likes to own the positive and walk away from everything else in the country and the federal government does not literally control everything. but i think trump supporters and opponents would agree or be aware that donald trump has an approach to race and policing and civil rights in america. it's different than the obama administration. i think everybody knows that.

there comes a disturbing question what leadership he is setting. i say that to get your response to the kenosha, wisconsin police chief making comments that are extreme if you think of the logic of them. i say it so viewers can think of it when you hear them. if somebody is arrested for killing people, they're the guilty party in the views of law enforcement and they get a trial. here we heard something different that seemed to play it down. take a listen. >> everybody involved was out after curfew. i'm not going to make a great deal of that. point is, curfew is in place to protect. had persons not been out involved in violation of that, perhaps the situation that unfolded would not have happened. >> your reaction, putting that in the context of law enforcement, comparing breaking curfew to killing two people. >> yeah.

it's almost hard to respond to that because he could have framed it in such a way, and i'm not saying it would be the right framing, both people were out after curfew. maybe nobody should have been out after curfew if that is what you believe, but i think that plays into the law and order message we have seen most republicans put forth in the last week that i also, much like senator mccaskill, expect the president to also put forth. but also which version of the president are we going to get tonight and i think that will tell us a lot. i think we're going to get law and order president. but his counselor, kellyanne conway, spent a lot of time last night trying to convince people that behind closed doors he is a caring person, that she has seen him comfort children, you know. his daughter sort of actually, tiffany trump, sort of struck a different tone. she had this whole thing about politics is about hiding behind

masks of decency and that's basically not my dad. so i think the question is are we going to see president trump back up kellyanne conway or are we going to see president trump back up his daughter and sort of say whatever he thinks. i think i kind of know what you probably believe, i know what senator mccaskill believes, but the law and order part of this and how he responds to wisconsin i think is more about his base and getting people who might be on the fence about voting, not necessarily are they voting for him or biden, i'm not totally sure there are a lot of those people out there. but if they voted for him before, they're not sure about voting now, can he scare them enough and also get them to believe he can bring the economy back and deal with covid-19, but fear is a powerful motivator. can he scare them enough to get them to show up and vote. i think one of the interesting things about this is that as he speaks about wisconsin tonight, as he speaks about kenosha and

speaks about what's going on, whatever he doesn't say, whatever he doesn't say about racial unrest and what people are feeling and can he tap into some type of empathy for black people and fear along with people who are scared of rioters, that also might encourage people on the fence about voting on the liberal side to show up and vote, too. this could work both ways. >> yeah. all fair points. senator mccaskill, you may be wondering what is the trump campaign's view of all this. i have news for everyone. we're going to keep the senator and shawna here, get your response and fact checking afterwards. joining us, nick adams, 2020 surrogate, founder of liberty and greatness, big night speaking at the rnc. thanks for coming on the beat. >> thanks for having me. >> in short form, what do you think the president's argument

for re-election tonight? >> i think tonight we're going to see a very impressive president. these are the moments the president really likes, i think he will deliver a speech for the ages. it will draw on a little of everything, there will be some inspiration, some patriotism, i think there's going to be a very clear setting out of what the president believes are the differences between him and his opponent. i think we're going to see elements from mount rushmore speech, we're going to see elements from the speech in poland a couple years ago, we're going to see that same kind of very clear setting out of what america is, what american values are, and what is at stake right now, not to the united states of america but the entire world. >> sure. let me ask you, one of the issues any incumbent has is a record. donald trump has broken some of his pledges, particularly on the economy. you may recall in '16 he talked

about adding coal jobs. do you know if he has added any? >> well, ari, i don't have the numbers in front of me now. >> let me give you a number for your benefit and the audience, then i'll let you respond. a lot of talk about coal jobs. they're actually down 900 under the trump administration, even before covid, the job growth rate trailed the obama administration. so my question to you is given those facts, those are facts, they're on the screen, citizens know them, do you think the president should acknowledge broken economic promises or is your political view you just ignore that? >> ari, my view as a proud american is that the president should come out there tonight and say that he's the best thing that happened to america in a very long time, that people have got more money, the economy was absolutely booming before covid-19 happened, something completely beyond his control. this is the jobs president.

>> should he blame covid then for the fact he hasn't delivered on all of the economic pledges? >> well, i think he has delivered enormously on the economic pledges. >> but not on the one i just mentioned. i have limited time, i won't repeat them. everyone heard them. now is your chance to show whether you can engage those facts or not. >> like i say, ari, i don't have those numbers. i think this president has done great things for jobs everywhere. you decide to cherry pick a particular statistic, whether or not that statistic is right or wrong i can't confirm live on air but i can tell you that overall -- >> you can worry about your job, i'll worry about mine. there's nothing cherry picked about national coal job data, and it is a pledge he made. let's move forward. we got your response on that. i am curious about c ban and you do conservative work, i am sure from the little i know about

you, you would not seek to defraud people who donate or support your group. steve bannon indicted for orchestrating a scheme to defraud hundreds of thousands of donor in connection with crowd funding for we build the wall. do you think donald trump needs to unequivocally say it was wrong to defraud these apparently well meaning maga supporters who thought they were funding the wall and not steve bannon's life-style? >> it is clear what the president said on steve bannon and thoughts have been in the recent past. what steve bannon did allegedly, i don't know if you do, if you do your job better than i do, i don't know what he has done or hasn't done, ari, but if what is alleged is true, obviously it is a very bad thing that's occurred. and i think the president and any normal person would condemn that kind of fraudulent

activity. >> nick adams from trump 2020 as a surrogate, i like everyone to hear everything. i appreciate you coming on "the beat". >> always a pleasure. >> as promised, bring in our panel. senator, your thoughts? >> well, he said there's going to be some of everything in the speech tonight. there's going to be patriotism, this and that. the one thing he didn't mention was there's going to be a lot of lying because we know trump can't speak without lying. he will lie about what he's done, he will lie about promises that he claims he kept when he hasn't. ari, you were kind. the list of promises broken, i mean, good health care, building the wall, infrastructure, balancing the budget, you know, repealing obamacare, i mean, it is a very long list. >> but we are cherry picking.

>> right. it is a very long list of broken promises. so they've tried to make a theme of this week promises kept. no. no. no. that's a lie, too. and i feel for that guy and i think it is great that he came on your show but we do know one thing for sure, there will be lying tonight. >> shawna? >> again, i think one thing i am interested in, something nick said, he said the president is going to talk about what america is or what his view of america is and what american values are and i'm really curious to know if his view of america, because a lot of what we have seen over the course of the last three days is probably not the same view of america that the people who are protesting in the streets of kenosha, wisconsin have. if that lines up at all with anybody who doesn't look like him, if it lines up at all with anybody that has a different point of view from him, because

part of what america is is being able to accept lots of different types of people, and that they actually build up to something better, and that includes conflict and divisiveness, but what i didn't hear in the last three days and i don't necessarily expect to hear it today is that there's room in america, even if you do not vote for this president, there is room in america to hear all of the different points of view. i am curious, what does he think america is? >> i think that's why conventions and this is i guess the optimist in me, even if you strongly disagree with something, conventions are one of these times, two weeks out of this period, where a lot of people hear unfiltered from both parties. if you hear something you strongly disagree with, good. at least you heard it, processed it with your own free mind, democracy, and decide whether to do something about it. to that end, i want to play one more thing we put together that is donald trump over this period of time, some of it crossing the

line, incriminating, and question of as we just heard senator harris call him out, we're in now this general election, how much do democrats have to remind people about this stuff versus hitting jobs and other issues that you talked a lot about. take a listen. >> i think that the nba players are very fortunate that they have the financial position where they're able to take a night off from work without having to have the consequences to themselves financially, so they have that luxury which is great. >> that's obviously not it. ask the control room, do we have it or no? if we have it, we'll play it. >> russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. >> what i did is i was going to fire comey. >> this russia thing with trump and russia is a made up story.

>> china should start an investigation into the virus. >> if we don't make a deal, they don't get the money. they can't have universal mail-in voting. it just can't happen. >> senator, how much do democrats hit all of that versus the vision for rebounding the economy and saving american democracy as some have put it? >> well, i think that the democrats have to prosecute their case and kamala started today on covid, laying out calmly all of the things that trump has mismanaged in this crisis and the result is that tens upon thousands of americans have died who didn't need to. i will say this. the russian hoax is interesting. as you know, ari, a republican led committee has now almost unanimously agreed that russia did try to interfere in our elections to help donald trump, that there was a russian agent working with paul manafort

during the campaign, and that it was appropriate that these things were investigated, including carter page. so the democrats have to continue to remind america that this isn't the swamp getting donald trump, it is his behavior getting him, and the last thing i want to add which is very important, it will be very ironic for the president to talk about law and order tonight while he is violating the law because he will be violating the law by doing a political event with the people's house, which is not allowed in our country, has never been done, and it should really aggravate america that esshe is abusing the trust they put in him in this manner. >> i appreciate you raising that. that's why i raised the bannon indictment, law and order has to be defined. thanks to you both for kicking off the show. keep it moving. speaker pelosi joins us when we're back in 30 seconds. ns us n we're back in 30 seconds

a big night in america. the president speaks. we are glad to have the speaker of the house, nancy pelosi. good to see you. >> my pleasure. >> i want to begin with one of the most important substantive policies now, the status of debates over covid relief and what you and your colleagues are doing. >> well, let me just say i said

my pleasure to be here, not quite pleasure at a time we are having wildfires in california, described as armageddon, hurricane on the coast of texas and louisiana, described as unsurvivable, when we have a pandemic of biblical proportions in our country, three issues that can be addressed by attention to science, science, and science, in terms of not being in denial about climate, not ignoring the recommendations of scientists. on top of that, we have kenosha which it breaks your heart to see. so we obviously, our prayers are with the family, the blake family, with the families of all that are effected throughout our country by the challenges we face and this virus is one that

is not only a health threat but an economic threat, and now a threat for the well-being of children as they go back to school. in that context again, let's all be prayerful about some solutions that we can have. in the meantime, in terms of the so-called negotiations, we have, mr. schumer and i, have said we were willing to come down a trillion dollars in order to have a negotiation about how we go forward to again open up our economy by crushing, crushing this virus, how we honor our heroes, our health care workers, our sanitation, transportation, our teachers, our teachers, our teachers, our first responders who are so important to us and paid by the state and local governments. that's a big issue, we have

major disagreement in the negotiations over recognizing the need to do that. and then of course putting money in people's pockets, that includes feeding the hungry. millions of food insecure children in our country, millions of families in fear of losing their homes and being on the street. so again, we have a big chasm in terms of values. this isn't just about dollars, it's about our responsibilities to the american people. but we all want to find an agreement. >> right. an agreement given how many people are struggling as you say. sometimes we talk or question whether the democrats are struggling with something. tonight i want to ask you about a place where you and your strategy has been working. we have been covering this a lot on this program. i know you're the speaker of the house, you may be too busy to watch it, but you set out an emergency pressure effort to hold the trump administration accountable for potentially

messing with votes by mail. and it appears to be working. they say they're backing off. because we want to stay on the story, i'm curious in your view, do you agree, is this working? you called the emergency session, they relented to some degree. what else do people need to know about this going into the election? >> well, people need to know not to pay attention to the president of the united states when he engages in fear tactics. he is saying he doesn't trust how votes will be counted, that's a way of saying to people why bother to vote. your vote may not even be counted. so ignore him because he knows he can't win under normal circumstances, so he has to engage in fear tactics and intimidation at the polls by saying he's going to have certain people there to watch people who show up. what is that? so again, we don't agonize over

him. we organize, we are organizing people vote, vote early, correctly fill out their forms, if they need to vote in person that the authorities will enable them to have the distancing. you have to have more precincts, polling places, you have to have more time, more days in order to enable people to vote and that's what we have in the heroes act, the funds to enable just that to happen so people don't have to choose between their health and their vote because of the president's tactics. >> yes. understood. and i think it has been striking to see how that worked. we have been covering that. you did make some waves talking about joe biden versus donald trump, including the debates. could you expound on your thoughts? i think they interested people. >> well, i have every confidence in joe biden, he knows why, he

knows why he is running for president. he has a vision for america that's very inclusive, he knows the subjects, he has experience in governance, and therefore can think strategically about how to get things done by bringing people together. and that is all up here. here in his heart he connects with the american people in a very beautiful way. he is so authentic. he identifies with their kitchen table concerns and they know that. why i said he shouldn't debate him has nothing to do with joe biden. joe biden will be great, he is great as a debater. what it is is about how totally inappropriate if that's the word, that's the nicest word i can think of the president is. i mean, he has no even slight flirtation with truth, fact, evidence, data that they would have to have people there judging whether he is telling

the truth on something. why even waste everybody's time listening to what he has to say. if they want to hear them, he should have his own forum and joe should have his own forum. no use discussing, joe biden, he is ready to go, wants to get into that debate. my concern was that the president has not shown any respect for the office that he holds and i don't expect that he will have any respect for the debates for that office as he has not shown any respect for giving people the right to vote without intimidation. >> well, it is striking, speaker, you clashed with certain presidents, we never heard you, you have a career and record. never heard you say a president was this illegitimate, beneath debate, i think a lot of us know why you take that position, notwithstanding comments by joe biden. nancy pelosi, i appreciate you joining us. >> well, i have worked in a very

positive way with republican presidents. this is quite different. i ask the republicans to take back their party, they'll see the difference between light of last week and darkness of this week. thank you. >> thank you, speaker nancy pelosi. appreciate it. we fit in a break. we have a lot more in the program. newly revealed video of donald trump during a controversial deposition. up next, we do special reports around here. boy do we have one after this break. i want to walk through a double standard in police brutality, and context of the jacob blake shooting and more. something we have been working on and it is right after this break. king on and it is right after this break.

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we are entering a fifth night of protests over wisconsin police shooting jacob blake in the back seven times at point blank range. a 29-year-old, present as police arrived at the scene of a reported domestic incident. we talk about the context and law regarding this disturbing incident caught on video. blake was walking away from police, going into a car that reportedly had his three children. you see him there. all of this went down within three minutes of police arriving at the scene. our video there does not show blake with a weapon or going towards police. there's a new report that states in the car there was a knife. the question facing police is why they escalated force towards

someone walking away from them. there are systemic reasons that many departments operate with near impunity. rarely are officers investigated, let alone charged for killing suspects. wisconsin one of 14 states with special rules protecting officers from investigations into their conduct, unlike every other person, officers get advanced warning about the officer in charge of their case, the nature of the investigation, special time provided for any personal necessities. they also, unlike other people, are protected from possible lie detector tests, blood tests, breathalyzer tests, all are useful because they're used against everyone else not a police officer. many see a double standard, this new video shows police thanking a young man now accused of murder and other armed civilians there in wisconsin, they were handing out water bottles. the sheriff said the interaction was okay because they give water to anyone. this is the exact double standard in play.

police are not treating people the same. i will say it again. police are not treating people the same. blake was shot repeatedly in the back, not accused of any crime, let alone accused of killing people. then take kyle rittenhouse who killed two people during protests. an alleged killer, took him into custody without incident. he is charged with first degree intentional homicide. he was taken the next morning. video shows police letting him actually leave the scene the night of the shootings, walking by the police. he just shot sbun. this is some of the very we have. police allowed him, the shooter, to go. the larger context to share with you, other notorious murders confronted by police and still taken in peacefully, not shot in the back. remember the charleston church killer, dylann roof who

terrorized people with mass murder. >> following a church shooting in charleston, south carolina. it happened around 9:00 p.m. this evening. the gunman man is still at large. >> we don't know if they got the shooter or not, they told us they did, after they said they had the shooter, we got a bomb threat. >> police identified the gunman as dylan storm roof. >> you remember how harrowing that was. police knew what was going on when they arrived at the scene, knew they faced a man with a rifle who killed nine innocent church going victims. police didn't fire one shot at him. they manage to carefully, methodical apprehend him. you can see officers handcuffing him calmly, leading him to the back of the car in the corner. then the police took him out for burger king because he was allegedly hungry after that calm arrest. or take treatment of a known mass killer, how that contrasts to this altercation within a year of that incident, in new

york, a black man was, like jacob blake and so many other incidents not facing a criminal charge, was not a suspect for violence, let alone a killing. but there was police who escalated that interaction. you see it on the screen into violence. eric garner, 43-year-old father of six was standing on the street, selling contraband cigarettes. multiple officers are on the scene. they surround him. they kept choking him. they choked him to death as he gasped. back then, the phrase we keep hearing from people before they're killed, he gasped i can't breathe. now, that treatment of what was on video, documented a peaceful person, contrast to another person suspected for killing three people, the wife, child, mother-in-law of a minor league baseball pitcher. this individual fled police, looked apparently distraught and naked, a danger to others. even on the video attacks the church groundskeeper.

he was outnumbered like the other arrests you saw. here in this incident like other police incidents we tracked dozens of officers assembled to capture. there was noticeable restraint. they didn't go near deadly force. they used pepper spray, one used a night stick. no shots, not a single fire, not a single deadly choke hold. within one year of that dramatic encounter, americans then learned about the excruciatingly slow killing of george floyd. here he was beforehand. he was being walked out. he was not armed. he was restrained. he was then held in a choke hold pleading i can't breathe. floyd told the police he was claustrophobic, afraid to get in the car, according to the police affidavit. we know that from police. we don't have more information from floyd because they killed him. it is an incident that shocked many in america, not because it occurred. police killings of civilians are frequent. but shocking because like the

blake interaction was caught on tape, most americans have seen this citizen made video of floyd's killing. that's a piece of it on the right hand of the screen. it is worth seeing context of the other arrests like dylann roof, how they peacefully subdue a mass murderer and other murderers that were white, after escalations with a black man where minnesota authorities allege it would turn it into a crime scene, murder scene is what police did. let me warn you, that video is of course disturbing. >> i can't breathe. >> get up, get in the car. >> i will. >> get up, get in the car. >> i can't move. >> get up and get in the car. george floyd literally could not move. he couldn't breathe. and then he was killed. this is the double standard. this is the inequity. this is what protesters are

protesting, the racism. what about the law? some people emphasize well, these people, some of them, apparently were resisting arrest. republican lindsey graham stressing that in the new case with blake saying he didn't yield. >> i don't know what happened there, i don't know why the gentleman didn't yield when he was asked to yield, i don't know what the facts are. >> now, people say fleeing the police is illegal. and it is. it's also illegal to drive over the speed limit, be late on your taxes. the punishment for resisting arrest like those infractions is not the death penalty. not in court, not in a summary execution without trial on the street without self appointed state executioners. this is important. it is illegal for police to use deadly force on someone fleeing. under the law they may only use such force if that person

possesses the actual ability to kill or gravely injure people. the police or other people around, they have to have evidence of that. this is what they call fundamental law. cops and lawyers know it because it was a major supreme court decision. >> today in a decision written with great emotional intensity, the supreme court ruled police may not shoot at a fleeing suspect unless there's good reason to believe the suspect might kill or injury the police or others. >> how did the supreme court come to even rule on that issue 35 years ago? remember, the court only rules on things that actually happen, doesn't issue a ran tomorrdom o about an idea. something has to happen that's appealed to the highest court, in this instance, a police shooting so bad, even by standards of the reagan era crackdowns of what was a higher crime rate, so bad the court drew a line. what kind of case would that be?

you're watching the news. you live in america. i bet you have some idea, even if you don't remember the case. police killed a black child, unarmed. he weighed about 100 pounds, was 15 years old. he was running away, not a threat to anyone, but he had stolen allegedly $10. >> one of those killed, edward garner, 100 pound 15-year-old that died on this fence in memphis after he failed to heed a police warning to stop as he fled with $10 and a purse from an empty house. >> i don't see no reason he should have shot him. no reason whatsoever. >> no reason. $10. 15 years old. that was too much even for a reagan era supreme court, all those decades ago. now, it's as illegal today as it was then when the supreme court ruled it. that's the law. here we go. you say all right, ari, you're telling me this stuff, all this law, what's the point. the point is the system which

rarely investigates and punishes police when they break those laws, leaving so many black families afraid of any police interaction because it clearly, methodical, objectively, historically has a real risk of turning deadly in minutes. now we watch a republican convention pressing an argument this week that suburban america and white americans who should be afraid. all of this comes full circle. that's what civil rights leaders warned about long before the supreme court decision. you can go all the way back to the 1960s when stokely carmichael addressed how white fear can bring police brutality. >> they're afraid to go into the black ghetto at night. that's a fact. they're afraid because they be beat up, lynched, looted, cut up, et cetera. that happens to black people

inside the ghetto every day, white people are afraid of that. you get a man to do it for you, a policeman. now you figure his mentality where he's afraid of black people. first time a black man jumps, the white man going to shoot him. so police brutality is going to exist on that level. >> he's going to shoot him and police brutality exists on that level. here we are. it is 55 years after that address. and the facts and law can only take us so far when at the root of it is systemic racism thwarting even the laws that have been passed to address some of this. and killing of george floyd is tragic but must be viewed in the wider context. on the right, you have police that made him a dead innocent man while the left, you have police that carefully let convicted murderers live, with a lunch order if they wanted, which brings us to jacob blake. this last weekend, he was not a suspect, let alone a killer at

the time he was shot in the back, now reportedly paralyzed, life forever altered, while another case of a white man charged with a triple homicide, on the run, clearly out of control, only pepper sprayed, carefully avoiding use of deadly force. just four years ago was when colin kaepernick took that knee. he was kneeling in protest of all this. it was silent. it was peaceful. again, systemic racism and violence that has been plaguing the nation. we all lived through the criticism he faced for that peaceful protest and retaliation. now people protesting wisconsin and around the nation, inside the nba going back at the same thing. it is tragic. it is wrong. and stokely carmichael's wisdom applies so seamlessly to today's america. he also said, quote, we're tired of trying to explain to white

people we're not going to hurt them when the question is will white people overcome their racism, end quote. we've been talking about race in this country since it was founded. and if you use race as a prism, we're a very young democracy because for so long people were not allowed to participate in their own lives, in their own freedom, let alone voting. it is time to vote again this year. we have more and more of the same evidence, the same arguments, but the big question, what, if anything, does america want to do about it. america want to do about it. are you still at risk for a heart attack or stroke? even if you're on a statin? statins may lower some risks, but may not be enough.

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back to politics. donald trump is preparing to take the rnc stage. there are many legal issues dogging him, including the ongoing probe of his company. tonight, there's a new reminder what trump has faced for years, new video surfacing, about four years old when he was running

for president, faced a lawsuit not unlike what steve bannon is accused of, defrauding some of your most loyal supporters. for trump, it was former students accusing him of fraud. you can see he talked to his lawyer during a break in this deposition and talks openly when he may not realize he is on a hot mike about the poor rating from the better business bureau. take a listen. [ inaudible ] >> did you know, little window into trump's thinking and how he operates. foreshadowing the way he approached critics. he threatened newspapers to political opponents to some of the richest people on earth. months later, trump would claim there was a more innocent reason the same rating you heard him

admit to getting changed, what really happened. >> we have an a from better business bureau. i don't settle cases, i don't do it because i don't get sued often because i don't settle. unlike other people. the only reason it was a d, we didn't care, didn't give them the information. when they got the information, it became an a. >> it may be a somewhat small point, not to those defrauded, but gives you a contrast between the real trump behind the scenes and how he pitched it in politics. then there's footage of trump questioning why he was sued personally, explaining his knowledge of the law and how he uses that to try to insulate himself. >> there's a reason for the corporation, isn't there something you can do about it? [ inaudible ]

>> you see the lawyer trying to explain to donald trump, he's in there because he was, quote, personally involved in making false statements, end quote. now, ultimately trump settled that case after claiming he never would, and not for nothing. about $25 million paid to trump fans who later said they were conned, defrauded. after the settlement, trump will continue to claim those that sued him had previously praised him. that was the whole point. they liked him but they felt conned. a judge that reviewed the case put it this way. victims of con artists often sing praises of their victimizers until the moment they realize they've been fleeced. democrats say this being back in the news is a larger parable for how some trump supporters may feel headed into november. we'll be right back with "one more thing." ight back with "one more thing."

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now to our one more thing, and it's an interesting one. brand-new nbc's craig melvin sat down with kamala harris the first time as she addresses rnc week. >> while we're in the midst of at least four crisis, and the american people regardless of race or gender or age or geographic location have a right to believe their leaders will speak truth, even when these are different truths to speak and to

hear, and we're not seeing that in the republican national convention. >> senator harris there addressing the republican national convention speaking to our colleague nbc's craig melvin on the "today" show. a reminder of how much the race is changing. she joined the ticket recently and she's quite the vocal advocate for her teammate joe biden. tonight we'll have final courage of what is the final night of the republican convention with all your favorite anchors on nbc. if you happen to be up late we'll be doing it 1:00 a.m. eastern, 10:00 pacific. don't go anywhere right now. on this big night with so much going on in america and so much going on with political news, joy reid with the reed out is up next. in your family,

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night four of the trump show gets under way in just under an hour. tonight we can most certainly expect donald trump to go full julius caesar, basking in the glow of his supporters to gas light the american public. trump supporters, lackeys and sycophant, full of disark warnings of a future under democrats amplified last night by vice president mike pence. >> last week joe biden didn't say one word about the violence and chaos engulfing cities across this country. the violence must stop, whether in minneapolis, portland, or

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